[Listens attentively, chewing on her lip a little as he goes, and then nods.]

Okay. Yeah. So... it was more than that too, I think. The techniques they were using - hundreds of people died in just a few weeks. They had a few of what you could call... semi-successes, I guess, but they were nothing like the other true immortals I met. They were just... I don't know. Destroyed mentally, or something. They lost their minds and became no better than animals that couldn't tell the difference between friend or foe.